Shunryu Suzuki Lecture
Audio Problem Set
JG 1st pass
The other day someone asked me about Vairochana
Buddha, Vairochana Buddha is Dharmakaya Buddha and Sambogakaya Buddha.
Sambogakaya is, [in] Shingon
School, the main Buddha is Vairochana Buddha, and Vairochana Buddha,
when he is Dharmakaya Buddha, he is the Buddha whose body is the whole
world.... the whole universe – his body. So everything is included.
But when he help people, he is Sambogakaya. And he
taught Diamond Sutra, and
Diamond Sutra is the fundamental sutra of
Shingon School. So same Buddha
in one way is Dharmakaya Buddha as the main Buddha, and when he takes
the form of teacher or savior,
he is someone helping. That is why same Buddha is two things as
Dharmakaya Buddha, Sambogakaya Buddha.
This is true with all schools – the understanding
about Dharmakaya Buddha and Sambogakaya Buddha.
So, actually, this sutra, Diamond Sutra is the
sutra which was taught by Sambogakaya Buddha to himself, you know,
because Dharmakaya Buddha or Sambogakaya Buddha. Vairochana Buddha
includes everything, so we are part of Vairochana Buddha, and Vairochana
Buddha is there, teaching to himself. To himself, but to us. To us means
to himself because we are part of him.
This is the system of the Shingon School. This
Shingon School is very close to Zen. Shingon School is still based on
the Diamond Sutra, which was taught by Buddha, but we are not based on
any....we have no fundamental sutra, but Shingon has. And Shingon is
authorized by [the] Diamond Sutra. As long as they have fundamental
sutra, the most important sutra on which the school is based
on, they have to have someone
who taught that sutra.
Dharmakaya Buddha do not do anything. He is, right?
absolutely independent one, who includes everything. When he includes
everything, he has noone to talk. Do you understand? He includes whole
universe so he has noone to talk, to tell. And he has nothing to tell,
actually. If he wants to tell, he should tell to himself.
That is Dharmakaya Buddha, but still he talks. When
he talks, he should be Sambogakaya Buddha.
But from the viewpoint, from Zen viewpoint, from
the standpoint of Zen, still something that was taught by someone,
cannot be always true. That is why Zen has no teaching. There is no need
for us to have some special teaching. We are part of the Buddha. We have
Buddha nature. So we are the one who tell stuff – tell the sutra. We are
not the one who listens to the
That is our fundamental attitude. So, but most
school... Shingon is very similar to Zen.
Do you understand?
Sambogakaya Buddha....Nirmanakaya Buddha is the
Buddha who came out, or another version of Dharmakaya Buddha. When
Sambogakaya Buddha is the Buddha, he also called
And Shingon School puts the emphasis on, very much,
on precepts. Vairochana Buddha is the Buddha who has the
version of precepts from the
viewpoint of results. We say “cause and results”. Because he practices
something, that practice results in a Buddha body. From the viewpoint of
result, he has virtue of, practice of, virtue of precepts. When he
practice...because of.... first practice of precepts, he attained ... he
attained Sambogakaya Buddha for us.
So when we take the viewpoint of result, it is
Buddha, when we take the viewpoint of practice, it is Bodhisattva who
practices results. Vairochana
Buddha has virtue of precepts, and he has, also, has virtue of wisdom,
wisdom who knows sentient beings, and he also helps sentient beings by
virtue of wisdom and precepts.
So Vairochana Buddha, you know, has some mudra ...
expression always take some
mudra, and Shingon School has many mudras to save sentient beings. I
have some picture, and [sound of pages being turned] ...umm I have no
time to search.
Now I must go back to this sutra. I talked about
five disciples of Buddha already:
Ajarnata , Kandiana Kandya ...
Hanyaku Gyoji in Japanese.... Asvarjana [Peter Schneider?
“Excuse me, Roshi, what page are you referring to?”]
Page 2, the first line.
Asnayata, Kondia, Anyat Kyogi.
Kodanna, Assji, Vappa and Mahanama].
We count according to Vinaya so the order is a little
different, but we count five disciples the Venerable Assji, the
Venerable Vappa, the Venerable Mahanama and other spelling but same,
Venerable Bhadiya. Venerable Mahakashapa – this is not five disciples,
those are five disciples who practiced with Buddha, but Buddha gave up
asceticism. So, but he … they went to Deer Park and continued ascetic
discipline, and Buddha crossed the river,
the Sarnath River, and sat under
the Bodhi tree, and attained enlightenment.
And after attaining enlightenment, he sat there for
40 nights, 49 days, and during that time, Kegon's sister brought toast,
for at that time, we have, you know, Pratyeka Buddha. Pratyeka Buddha is
a Buddha originated from this idea of sitting 49 days. Actually, he did
tell anything at that time, before he taught Kegon Sutra.
So Buddha, who did not tell anything – that is the
idea or viewpoint of, viewpoint of result or Buddhahood – resulted from
the practice. Viewpoint of result is attainment, is Buddha under the
Bodhi tree. Viewpoint of practice is to attain enlightenment is Pratyeka
Buddha. Pratyeka Buddha and Buddha who do not have any special teaching
This is very complicated!
Same Buddha, you know, same idea. This is Pratyeka
Buddha. After he attained enlightenment, he is called “Buddha under the
Bodhi tree”. But before he attained enlightenment, he is Pratyeka
Buddha. He, you know, he has no teaching, or all the phenomenal world is
So he has no special teacher, and he has no special
Whatever it is, that is his teaching. From this
viewpoint, Buddha is also Pratyeka Buddha, but Buddha has two names:
Buddha who attained enlightenment – who is Nirmanakaya Buddha, but
before he becomes Nirmanakaya Buddha, he is Pratyeka Buddha. And he was
also Sambogakaya Buddha, because his former life, he studied under many
teachers. He was the one who listened to many teachings, written
teachings or teachings which was told by someone.
He is the most, from the viewpoint of result or
attainment, he is Nirmanakaya Buddha, and he is also, is so, he is also
Sambogakaya Buddha and Dharmakaya Buddha. So Sambogakaya Buddha and so
Svravakakaya Buddha, or Pratyeka
Buddha or Sambogakaya Buddha or Dharmakaya Buddha.
Same Buddha, but viewpoint is, you know,
understanding is different.
Actually, this is so, but according to the school
-- their [Shingon] school takes their own viewpoint. Viewpoint of
Pratyeka Buddha or viewpoint of sravaka, Sravakayana Buddha, or
viewpoint of Nirmanakaya Buddha or viewpoint of Sambogakaya Buddha or
viewpoint of Dharmakaya Buddha. So each school takes their own
But Zen has no viewpoint. We have no viewpoint.
When we practice zazen, you know, we are Buddha, which could be
Dharmakaya Buddha or Sambogakaya Buddha or Nirmanakaya Buddha, or
Pratyeka Buddha, or Arhat. That is our viewpoint.
That is Zen school.
Those are the disciples, and after 49 days, he … 49
days of practice, he told Kegonsu,
but he thought that this is too difficult for people. So he had
charge chosen several teachings
to tell the five disciples that is: Four Noble Truths and
all it passed and teaching of
Dana Prajnaparamita, and Sila Prajnaparamita, and he told so that
zennai, the five disciples, may
understand him, he taught why you practice Sila or precepts.
The reason why you should practice Sila is to be,
to acquire the better life in the future. Actually, that was the
teaching which works, that supports … that was taught by Buddha at that
time. But, actually, what he meant is precepts, observation is prior,
but not because of this observation, we will have a better future life.
By practice of Sila, we will go to, we will have better life.
This idea is the idea of pre-Buddhist teaching. But
he applied pre-Buddhistic understanding of Sila, when he taught Sila
Prajnaparamita [to] those five disciples.
This is a kind of
tinken talpa we say in Japanese, sekkai, shortened by practice of
Dana Prajnaparamita, and Sila practice will have … will have life of
And the next name we have here is Mahakashapa.
Mahakashapa is, as you know, is the first Patriarch in Zen lineage. He
was supposed to be born at Nalanda village near
Naranjutia, and he got married
with the daughter of a Brahmin, but both he and his wife wanted to
practice jnana, or Zen. So then after, twelve years after, when he met
with Shakyamuni Buddha, he joined his order. And after 8 days [of]
practice, he attained enlightenment, and he attained Arhatship,
Arhathood, and he changed its
robe to Buddha's robe.
We call Buddha's robe in Japanese, “unzoi”. Unzoi
means robe made of rags, which people, you know, put into the garbage.
We pick that, all the rags, from the garbage can, and wash it and
purified it, and sew it together like this. This is... That is why we
have okesa in this way. We sew it: small pieces together like this, and
make an okesa. This is how Buddha made his robe, and Mahakashapa changed
his robe to Buddha's robe.
And since then, he was presiding over the Buddha's
disciples, and when, at the first
compilation, he supervised that meeting. And this is Mahakashapa,
and he is also called, the Four Great Sravakas, the Four Great
The Four Great Sravakas are: we have almost all of
them are here, but some of them are not here. The Four Great Sravakas or
Arhats– Mahakashapa, Pinddha
. [sleeve noise and discussion of
is Binzuru in Japanese. Pindola. Binzuru. They have this name here?
[Peter? I'm looking for these names].
Pindola is also an
Arhat. Binzuru. If you go to Japan in small temples, there is Binzuru.
You can get some power from it. And it's for children, too, and babies.
[Peter? Is it Pindola? ba..bla] Bharad. [Bharadvaja.] Confusing. [Peter?
BH or D?] B. [Peter? Second letter of the alphabet?] I have, we wrote it
Those are the Four Great
Sravaka or Four Great Arhats. And Mahakashapa. There are many Kashapas
here, but the most famous one is Mahakashapa.
I know that among them
is Juriki Kasho in Japanese. I don't know which one is Juriki Kasho
among those, among those great Kashapas. There will be the name of the
place: Kashapa of Nadhi, the Kashapa of Gaya ... the Venerable
Shariputra is, you know,
the most important disciple of Buddha,. who passed away before becoming
a Buddha. When he passed away, Buddha was very much disappointed.
[laughter] Almost, just two or three months before Buddha passed away.
The other disciple,
Mahamoggallana, Mokuren, we said. Those are good friends even before he
joined Buddha's order. And Shariputra … I think I had already explained
when you studied Prajnaparamita Hridaya Sutra. Shariputra and
Mahamoggallana were good friends, and Shariputra, before he was born,
also, he was a son of a great scholar.
In India, you know,
there were many great teachers. And if there was some great teacher,
they would...they had many disciples, learned disciples, and they would
discuss about teachings. And when he, and when they went in discussion,
if someone defeat the great scholar, he would take over his place. That
kind of thing was going on, and Shariputra was a great scholar, but
because he was so great, Bimbasara, the King Bimbasara, gave him some
land. But, Desha, another scholar called
Desha, and Desha won that
discussion or dispute, so the King took back the land and gave the land
to Desha. It was terrible, you know.
And his daughter got
married with Desha, and Shariputra is the
daughter [son] of that woman who
get married to Desha, but his name, he is named after … people called
[him] Shariputra … people called Shariputra instead of calling Upadesha.
Upadesha is his proper name, because Desha's son. But people were very
sympathetic to that woman, called Shari. He was called by [the] name of
Shari. And he went to some festival near
Nagarguntika, and there he met
with Maudgalyayana. And both of them were not happy to see the people
playing or singing in the festival.
And he felt the vanities
of life, and they felt the vanities of life, and they joined study of
religion, but they promised that if I become ... if one of us becomes a
good teacher, the other one would be the disciple of that teacher.
And soon, when Buddha
visited Nagarguntika, …
Shariputra had met some Buddha's disciples, Shariputra asked who he is
and who is his teacher. And that person said, “my teacher is Buddha,
Shakyamuni Buddha”. So he joined Shakyamuni Buddha's order and they both
studied and attained Arhathood. Shariputra especially, give them a
And Shariputra was the
most important disciple, and as I already told you, he passed away, and
when he passed away he said the people, “Buddha is already right here so
he may soon take
nirvana, and as I'm pretty old,
I'm sorry that I have to go to my home. And as soon as he arrived at
Nalanda Village, he became sick and passed away, or took nirvana.
Many people missed him
and he had [a] pretty big funeral, you know, he had many disciples when
he passed away. His Sila throughout his
life, very well respected.
Those stories are on the
Buddhakarita, The Life of Shakyamuni and his Disciples. The name of the
book is Buddhakarika. If you have dictionary you can consult by name of
Buddhakarika. This is very reliable, what is it? It is a famous one....soja....
Chinese, the character, he had unified, upright classical future, and a
fire of various acts when he was young. When he was 16 years old,
he could have disputes with many guests, instead of his father, for his
And he was a good friend
of Mahāmoggallāna; and his father's disciples, all of his father's
disciples respected him. And when he visited, when he went to the
festival, he aroused, he felt deeply the impermanence of life, and
hebecame, he joined the order of
Sanjay, Devadhiputra, and in one week he passed in his teachers'
teaching and he became the head of [the] 250 [person] group, and he
joined, later he joined Buddha. And before he joined the order he saw
Buddha's disciple, Assaji.
Those stories is on
Zoe saikon -- in Sanskirt, it is
called Karika. [Cut off 1:02:26]
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