Shunryu Suzuki Lecture
Audio Problem set
JG's first pass - see CM's 2nd pass
In this moment, it's restricted or limited, which
is attainable under some restriction. It's
Gi1] limited. Do you understand? That is what I
Q: Is that part of you which you restrict, the same
part of you that is liberated?
Yes. Some restriction is necessary. For our
liberary, our self
Gi2] is necessary to attain liberation.
Q: What are you to restrict, or what am I to
According to the
mirror, some kind of[Judith
Gi3] , under some kind of circumstances are always …
different circumstances. So our way … way is not always same, but
actually limited. It is not always … always the same. That is
realization, limited, or you create even, actually, in this life. We
understand in this way. We do not understand it -- restriction. We
understand the means of realizing the limits. That -- as restriction.
Do you understand?
Q: uh huh.
For you, husband, husband is restriction, but
because of your husband, you can express your affection. Restriction …
it gives you some chance to express your limited life.
For me to, for me as I'm Japanese, to come
and live San Francisco is very
big restriction. This is total restriction – personal fever. Because of
[Judith Gi4] the restriction is currently that sometimes
they are limited Limited[Judith
Other times like
that. Sounds negative, negative. If more restricted, sound like that I
have no idea. At the same time I have no idea, really,
where is if there's no restriction.[Judith
There is still a
restriction. This is attitude, or belief.
Q: If we follow the instruction what restriction
should we take up? [It seems there's
the laws of the universe. I don't even know what they are. If the
restriction goes against the laws. You wouldn't think it should happen][Judith
Gi8] It's difficult because we all have to find
our way, and you have to break a restriction as soon as you make it.
But let me, say we have to be
completely a kind of fool. We will find
these negative events.[Judith
Gi9] You will find a different way, I hope, of
realizing a way of facing these
Gi10] . When you realize this way of facing a
restriction, it's often here where we
So certain mistake, I feel is our way of life.[Judith
Gi12] On restriction, negative, we are, we are
caught by the idea of negative too much, and Buddhism doesn't
[Judith Gi13] [make it]
or we do not emphasize too much – after it. But ah, … I hope trying to
pay attention to it for our desires or instant....
[Judith Gi14] So coming
along. If you practice this, but if you usual practice this, you
can become this way of life, whether you
feel better, or because you have to
Gi15] some part a kind of restriction is lifted of
whatever you whatever you do.
You cannot find out without
limit or restriction.
This is a kind of trust. If you are concentrated on
everyday practice of zazen then this does not become restriction, but
becomes the way. This is understanding
of our way. This is necessary[Judith
Q: Long ago you said we recognize deep within
ourselves, that we recognize the deep
thing that might result in our perception.[Judith
I believe you can
involve, but where? You might have some idea in head. But if you listen
Q When you are not
listening to the restriction, you might not have the idea[Judith
That is your idea.
First you haven't idea of effects what the results will end. But you do
not then practice.
Q: I think that
there is a kind of defense. That is why I didn't. This is been the
reason why I'm not being around.
You do not
recognize in the way that you can. Fundamental way, according to
Buddha's way. Do you understand this? So I appreciate it.
Go beyond it. Look
further, look deeper, look wider.
Q; [Question too
faint to hear]
Go farther, and
later, if you have some idea, you caught by the idea[Judith
Q: [too faint]
No, not all the
time. Fundamental problem. But you are caught. The very one, real
standards of it. Maybe. But that isn't standard. Later circumstance.
Later, it had happened. Fundamental idea, for that.[Judith
You are caught by, because you are caught by some
idea. Maybe it's not to concern but you make all the way to the cause,
and as soon as you arrive at the cause… you doubt it.
Q: How do you do
Oh, I make a relationship. I wish I didn't … we
would say. I'm not negative ....but
the rest of my life is to be going to do it the nice way. For a long
time I thought that way. The rest of this life is
[do the right thing][Judith
When you are
trying… but when you are caught
Gi24] fundamental idea...
[strong confidence ] Do you see?
[Judith Gi25] After the Second World War, in Japan, the
textbook of history... completely, completely changed. The other
people, their concept of sociality not.
That theory is based on some idea or some – idea – or framework of
society. And then all the people in Japan become a lover …. lover?
become loving of framework… idea of framework and society… and within
that framework … when you feel more important ... this is big mistake!
It is much better to be a lover, but you feel some drunk with it ...like
some Coke… very easy the new
generation of Japanese people, because It is easy for you to laugh!
Japanese children are very independent people. Almost the same comical.
It is not easy to understand. They keep anger, anger inside. This is age
of loving, what?
Q: Isn't this the
age of robot for a Japanese man?
You are joking,
you do not understand.
Q: When we think of saving labor a robot is a
machine, don't some things get run by a machine – a robot is a machine?
When you want to be lover, this is another idea.
Q: When you want
to be lover, accept it?
[Judith Gi26] When you have profit that is perfect idea
….The perfect is big question mark. It must be self.
Q: If what you are saying... reminding of the
sutras really won't help much. You won't really understand.
What's remind? There's no need to stop your mind.
When you practice zen, you have to.
In other words, we have to be combine in tentative
world. We must not be combine to
have faith in world.
[Judith Gi27] That is why we are caught – some idea of
What is perfection? Perfection is
left in back means you exist –
exist as imperfect existence. This is our effort. There is no
You say hand, and this is the paper in hand. When
you repeat that circle –
perfect. Hand, I think, is harmony exists between us. You cannot detach
that hand. Do you understand? That is
vaster hand. Hand is something perfect that exists in harmony.
When you, when you sleep, you have all images, and
you are perfect. Before you notice, you have it. Harmony is something we
have already – before we say harmony.
[Judith Gi28] Q: When you are caught or not caught by
ideas of, you know, images in David Barry's … and still want to help
others is to help one's self. To save others before one saves one's own.
Can I consider to divide the effort in some way?
When you have those, I don't know how to say,
problem as you have... For instance, you have to study to bring back the
Buddha, Buddha's way. How you understand our practice is to go back to
Q: I think it is ah … my first reaction is an
acknowledgment of sincere effort, first of all.
Is that real?
Q: Well, as yet misdirected effort.
Right now, your effort that you are making is right
effort. The effort you are making is real. That is the
combine the better or image. That you
need picture is that you have combine the teaching, the written
teaching. First off, that is wrong. Is that what you mean?
Q: There still seems to be a division between
philosophical and emotional, maybe. I don't know the expression.
Yeah. Your human ... problem to learn it is not
necessary to understand Buddha's words or Buddha's teaching literally or
in literature – teaching literally or in scripture. But better not to
try to understand by this practice. Better to practice zazen
irrespectively, and really .. you will better understand. You will have
no statistic, intellectual understanding of your practice. Very sad.
Q: Once you understand
and are sitting in this way[j
g29] , the way back, so the way it seems people, I
sound dualistic …
That is the main point of the lecture tonight.
That is the point. In short, if you do not try, if
you do not understand why you are angry.... I am, I am quite … I am
quite different someone who has nothing to do with you. That is your
attitude. You may not think that is so, but I can … change the site or
exaggerate, I cannot give you … So.
But this is why I am meditator – a passion.
In short, if Buddhism is right, or if zazen
practice is right, I will practice it. If zazen practice is wrong, I
will still sit. Or if the leader's practice is
[j g30] wooden, I
will practice. I will practice without expecting same. It looks like so,
Q: In my case it is so, but if it's true in my
case, while often there's a case of special freedom, or a special
condition to meet that is somehow opposite in a certain kind of
My letter is
perfect to passport. Anyway you are apolitical.
Your passport is practical it is
So, I've spoken in a philosophical way tonight.
Buddhist philosophy is said to be denial of Buddhist philosophy. It is
static – just you're afraid of absolute freedom from experience. To
intellectualize our understanding is to intellectualize our
intellectuality. What is your understanding? What is philosophy?
And if you study, if you push that philosophical
way, through and through, recipe for defeat and dead end.
So we … I am working, pushing that idea of freedom,
that idea of perfection – perfect structure of liberty to that point
where you fight. That is no more perfect project or practice.
In short, our life is clear of ideas. That is said
to be true. Actually.
Q: The American style. The Americans conceive
You are suffering.
We say in Western after Buddha, after it is 2,500
years going back to the Buddha, which today is us. Our life may be made
more difficult by each other. Our life is our problem, logically. Your
How is it possible to attain perfection within a
But we have to strive for it.
That perfection Buddha has strived for, and we have
to be successor. That is our way. Do you understand?
And you want to find out some pure water in small
puddle. Small muddy puddle.
Every three and eight day, before four and nine
day, we receive this kind of big stick on ourselves. You are even not trying!
Our practice. Your kind of idea of practice of
early practice, not the kind, and you cannot get out of this. That is
That is eternal truth. That is a fundamental.
Comparing to this people, through the actions, we
practice zazen here. With this, you will find out how
[j g31] angry is
practice. Do you understand?
If all of you understand this point, there's no
more work. What is the meaning of
finding perfection in actions? That is Jack's need or challenge. Dick
Baker is next.
[j g32] catfish is catfish because it is catfish. Is that
not true? Nothing but catfish. And he want to be a wheel. So catfish
needs big puddle.
He's more than a
catfish. He can catch moonrise.
Q: If the catfish wants to be a wheel, isn't the
desire to be a wheel part of the catfish?
If he wants to be, but maybe.... if you want to be
a catfish, then one day you can become a whale, but be sure you did
Thank you very much.\
Source: digital audio archive from DC. Problem set.
Transcribed March 2012 by Judy Gilbert. Work in progress. Further
preparation to post by DC
Source: digital audio archive from DC. Problem set.
Thanks to audio work by AW, transcribed March 2012 by Judy Gilbert. Work in progress. Further
preparation to post by DC