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Excerpts from Shunryu Suzuki lectures - 2014-5
[laughs] = Suzuki laughs [laughter] = students laugh

Interdependency


I love this lecture. Here are a few excerpts from it, start with a little humor. - DC



There are many suffering, but the cause of suffering is-- we-- we actually don't know not much about that. Jane [Schneider] said this morning, to me, Alan Watts, you know-- he is very famous, as you know, said ignorance means ignore-- ignore-ance, to ignore. Intellectually we know everything changes. But actually we don't like things to change. To ignore the truth is ignorance. Maybe so. I thought he said, “ignore ants.” [Laughs, laughter.] There are many ants. So I thought he said “Don't kill ants! Ignore ants!”

 

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There is no absolute beyond our phenomenal world. This is also a point you should always remember. When you study Eastern thought, you should put this point always in your mind, or else you will not pass koan [laughs]. You will always fail to pass koan because you stick to the idea of absolute, absolute, absolute, absolute, and ignore the reality-- ignore your human life.

 

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Because, you know, I arise here, I will die some day. Because A arises, B extinguishes. And because I exist, you exist at the same time. If I don't exist, you don't exist. For you, if you don't exist, I don't exist.

 

Actually we cannot be separated completely from you [laughs], physically and spiritually. If I say something you will understand it. So in space-time span, we are related crossing. We cannot be independent. So this teaching is called interdependency-- teaching of interdependency. Vertically and horizontally we are closely related, and we are all interdependent being. That is another interpretation of how we exist and how we suffer. And actually it is the teaching of everything changes and selflessness. Nothing to be called “self” in particular, you know, because we are related-- completely related with each other. So in Mahayana, the teaching concludes in this way: “One is all, all are one.” One is all, you know. That I exist here, everything exists. That everything exists means I exist here. So I or everything else is another interpretation of one reality. So in-- in reality, one is all and all is one.


From  69-08-02. For more go to this entry on the Suzuki lecture archive found on Shunryu Suzuki dot com. - Edited by DC, posted 12-30-14